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After seeing Forest control rampage on his back and now seeing Housten Alexander get chocked out with 6 seconds left in the first round, I've come to question why there are any fighters in the game that can't do shit when they're on they're back! Even great wrestlers will get caught by a good jujitsu guy if they don't know how to defend submissions.But we know that already don't we? Why I ask why would a fighter lack such an important aspect of the game? But there's so many of them, I don't want to even get started and nearly all of them have losses by submission. Chuck Liddel seems to be the only exeption to this but I have a feeling even he will get submitted before his career ends.
You can say the same thing about jujitsu fighters and how they should learn a better stand up game. Its MMA not JSOMA (Jujitsu and some other martial arts)
Exactly. Fighters today need to be well rounded in order to be the best. Look at Anderson Silva.He has a black belt in jujitsu but is known for his superior Mauy Thai skills.
Some are like that now (GSP, Penn, Silva) most are not as well rounded. I think it's because MMA is such a new sport. Fighters have not been able to train in each aspect as long as needed so they work on their strengths (most come from wrestling, BJJ or street fighting backgrounds) and some defense. Fighters of the future will start much younger and be way more well rounded than today's fighters (similar to the fighters in the first UFC's compared to now). They will begin training in wrestling, stand up and bjj from the beginning and not just focus on one. We think bjj is the dominant one but think back on Hughes vs. Gracie.
Some of the new guys that are excellent wrestlers and strikers seem to do pretty well, Diego Sanchez being a good example.But even he just recently started training in BJJ....with a gi!
Last edited on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 04:43 am by Al725
Keep in mind it takes years of training in BJJ to be good at it. You could be training for a year or even a couple years and look stupid if your fighting a brown or black belt BJJ guy. These guys train it but just need more. They aren't going to not fight until they have 5+ years under their belt.
when i first saw this topic i thought you were talking about fighters like brock lesner and kimbo slice. Two guys who rely mainly upon brute strength (and wrestling in lesner's case) rather than technique. so far, it's working for lesner, but kimbo is now another story. From previous replies i'm sure you all agree when i say its called " Mixed Martial Arts" for a reason. You absolutely have to become a well rounded fighter if you dont want your fame to be short lived. In my opinion this means being good in stand up (striking/muay tai) take downs ( usually wrestling) and ground (any grapple art or a decent ground and pound at the least.) and then after that you just learn to form it into your own style.
MURDERER wrote: You can say the same thing about jujitsu fighters and how they should learn a better stand up game. Its MMA not JSOMA (Jujitsu and some other martial arts)
You are so funny!! I was thinking something along those lines but you articulated it clearly. BJJ is not the end all be all of MMA. If it was then they would be the only fighters left standing, and the UFC would be a BJJ fighting organization. There is a place for more styles like Muay Thai, and tae kwon do, and kung fu. As more people get involved and it becomes more acceptable to compete like that with traditionalists, we will see more of the more traditional martial arts
How about Andre Arlovski? He looked TERRIBLE on the ground vs. Nelson. Nelson almost got a kimura before the ref stood them up (ridiculous by the way). I know Arlovski has a kickboxing background but I thought he had more skills than that.
